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	<title>Comments on: No &#8220;Sympathy&#8221; For Jenny McCarthy</title>
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		<title>By: Prometheus</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20195</link>
		<dc:creator>Prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen,

Short answer - No.

Longer answer - Autism &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; appear to be more than one disorder and should be expected to have more than one cause. However, there is no more data implicating a "toxic environment" (whatever &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; might be), viruses, "yeast overgrowth" or vaccines than there is implicating television, rain, cell phones or Miley Cyrus.

I am &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; for asking for safe vaccines - you show me data indicating that a particular vaccine could be made more safe (and how that could be done) and I'll push it as hard as I can to make that happen.

On the other hand, if this is just about "too many, too soon" and "green our vaccines", I can't get behind that. Vague "concerns" about vaccines without any data to support them are pointless. There are people "concerned" about the effects of cell phones, microwave ovens, "chemtrails" and reptilian aliens replacing world leaders.  &lt;i&gt;None&lt;/i&gt; of that is worth the effort and expence of a study.

Research time, resources and mony are finite - &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; finite. To spend any of them chasing down a vague and ill-defined "concern" would be a criminal waste - &lt;i&gt;criminal&lt;/i&gt; because, in the zero-sum-game that is research funding, spending resources on one thing means that something &lt;i&gt;else&lt;/i&gt; doesn't get funded.

So, do we divert money from cardiac disease, diabetes, cancer or Altzheimer's disease to track down and eradicate these vague "concerns" about vaccines and autism?

Vaccines are neither 100% &lt;i&gt;safe&lt;/i&gt; nor 100% &lt;i&gt;effective&lt;/i&gt; - we &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; that. &lt;i&gt;Nothing&lt;/i&gt; in life is 100% safe and 100% effective. Vaccines - as they are &lt;i&gt;currently&lt;/i&gt; formulated and administered - are &lt;i&gt;safer&lt;/i&gt; than getting the disease they were developed to prevent. &lt;i&gt;Much, much&lt;/i&gt; safer.

If you have data that vaccines cause autism, bring it and &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; we can talk about how to get a study going.


Prometheus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen,</p>
<p>Short answer - No.</p>
<p>Longer answer - Autism <i>does</i> appear to be more than one disorder and should be expected to have more than one cause. However, there is no more data implicating a &#8220;toxic environment&#8221; (whatever <i>that</i> might be), viruses, &#8220;yeast overgrowth&#8221; or vaccines than there is implicating television, rain, cell phones or Miley Cyrus.</p>
<p>I am <i>all</i> for asking for safe vaccines - you show me data indicating that a particular vaccine could be made more safe (and how that could be done) and I&#8217;ll push it as hard as I can to make that happen.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if this is just about &#8220;too many, too soon&#8221; and &#8220;green our vaccines&#8221;, I can&#8217;t get behind that. Vague &#8220;concerns&#8221; about vaccines without any data to support them are pointless. There are people &#8220;concerned&#8221; about the effects of cell phones, microwave ovens, &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; and reptilian aliens replacing world leaders.  <i>None</i> of that is worth the effort and expence of a study.</p>
<p>Research time, resources and mony are finite - <i>very</i> finite. To spend any of them chasing down a vague and ill-defined &#8220;concern&#8221; would be a criminal waste - <i>criminal</i> because, in the zero-sum-game that is research funding, spending resources on one thing means that something <i>else</i> doesn&#8217;t get funded.</p>
<p>So, do we divert money from cardiac disease, diabetes, cancer or Altzheimer&#8217;s disease to track down and eradicate these vague &#8220;concerns&#8221; about vaccines and autism?</p>
<p>Vaccines are neither 100% <i>safe</i> nor 100% <i>effective</i> - we <i>know</i> that. <i>Nothing</i> in life is 100% safe and 100% effective. Vaccines - as they are <i>currently</i> formulated and administered - are <i>safer</i> than getting the disease they were developed to prevent. <i>Much, much</i> safer.</p>
<p>If you have data that vaccines cause autism, bring it and <i>then</i> we can talk about how to get a study going.</p>
<p>Prometheus</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20173</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone here acknowledge that Autism is indeed a puzzle and that it most likely has a variety of causes including genetics,a toxic environment, viruses, yeast overgrowth and yes, perhaps vaccines...Not all children with Autsim are the same and I would then make the assumption that not all cases of Autism are caused by the same thing.  Why is it inappropriate to question big drug companies and their manufacturing of vaccines- if we don't ask the questions and demand safe vaccinations for our children, what kind of parents are we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone here acknowledge that Autism is indeed a puzzle and that it most likely has a variety of causes including genetics,a toxic environment, viruses, yeast overgrowth and yes, perhaps vaccines&#8230;Not all children with Autsim are the same and I would then make the assumption that not all cases of Autism are caused by the same thing.  Why is it inappropriate to question big drug companies and their manufacturing of vaccines- if we don&#8217;t ask the questions and demand safe vaccinations for our children, what kind of parents are we?</p>
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		<title>By: m cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20071</link>
		<dc:creator>m cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there are kids our here who did not recieve immunizations and still they have autism. Who do we blame then? I believe its all enviromental. Do more research please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there are kids our here who did not recieve immunizations and still they have autism. Who do we blame then? I believe its all enviromental. Do more research please</p>
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		<title>By: melanie</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20067</link>
		<dc:creator>melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our 3 year old is autistic i agree with jenny mc carthy to a point sarahs autism worsened when she had her jabs none of us are certain of the cause of autism and i think its wrong to shoot another down because of their opinions or is it because she is famous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our 3 year old is autistic i agree with jenny mc carthy to a point sarahs autism worsened when she had her jabs none of us are certain of the cause of autism and i think its wrong to shoot another down because of their opinions or is it because she is famous</p>
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		<title>By: brucefett</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20025</link>
		<dc:creator>brucefett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a first-time commenter and a person who has helped raise two  teenagers and their autism, I can truthfully say that all expressions of sympathy are unwelcome, useless and annoying.

Empathy, respect,  and awe are welcomed, and on occasion, even reciprocated.

The way I deal with the autism wouldn't  change in the least, even if there were any evidence that vaccines caused autism, which there isn't of course.

I really enjoyed the posted article and the comments from all those trying to keep it scientific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a first-time commenter and a person who has helped raise two  teenagers and their autism, I can truthfully say that all expressions of sympathy are unwelcome, useless and annoying.</p>
<p>Empathy, respect,  and awe are welcomed, and on occasion, even reciprocated.</p>
<p>The way I deal with the autism wouldn&#8217;t  change in the least, even if there were any evidence that vaccines caused autism, which there isn&#8217;t of course.</p>
<p>I really enjoyed the posted article and the comments from all those trying to keep it scientific.</p>
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		<title>By: Prometheus</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20020</link>
		<dc:creator>Prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank comments:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;We find each other’s reasoning to be fundamentally flawed. This sometimes happens.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Frank makes this sound as though he and Do'C were disagreeing over whether the Cubs were a better baseball team than the Red Sox. Unfortunately, unlike the Cubs/Red Sox "controversy", there is &lt;i&gt;real data&lt;/i&gt; about this issue.

Unfortunately for Frank, these &lt;i&gt;data&lt;/i&gt; do not support his position. Thanks for playing, Frank. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.....

I can't get over how some people - including the person named in the title of this post - don't seem to  understand that there is a &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; answer to the question of vaccines causing autism. 

It &lt;i&gt;doesn't matter&lt;/i&gt; that Jenny McCarthy - ex-minor-league-celebrity - "believes" that autism is caused by vaccines. It &lt;i&gt;doesn't matter&lt;/i&gt; if Bernadine Healy or Barack Obama believe that vaccines cause autism. It &lt;i&gt;doesn't matter&lt;/i&gt; even if a majority of people in the US, or the UK or &lt;i&gt;the world&lt;/i&gt; believe that vaccines cause autism.

All that matters is &lt;i&gt;what the data show&lt;/i&gt;. And so far, the data show that vaccines &lt;i&gt;don't&lt;/i&gt; cause autism.

Maybe tomorrow someone will publish data showing a connection between vaccines and autism that will overwhelm the &lt;i&gt;current&lt;/i&gt; mountain of data that &lt;i&gt;fail&lt;/i&gt; to show a connection. If that happens, I will happily change my tune. But not &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; then.

This isn't a popularity contest or an election - there is a real answer to this question that doesn't depend on what people &lt;i&gt;believe&lt;/i&gt;.

If you've got the data to show that vaccines cause autism, then &lt;i&gt;show it&lt;/i&gt;. If not....well, you're still entitled to your &lt;i&gt;opinion&lt;/i&gt;, but we don't have to &lt;i&gt;believe&lt;/i&gt; it.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank comments:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>We find each other’s reasoning to be fundamentally flawed. This sometimes happens.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Frank makes this sound as though he and Do&#8217;C were disagreeing over whether the Cubs were a better baseball team than the Red Sox. Unfortunately, unlike the Cubs/Red Sox &#8220;controversy&#8221;, there is <i>real data</i> about this issue.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for Frank, these <i>data</i> do not support his position. Thanks for playing, Frank. We have some lovely parting gifts for you&#8230;..</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t get over how some people - including the person named in the title of this post - don&#8217;t seem to  understand that there is a <i>real</i> answer to the question of vaccines causing autism. </p>
<p>It <i>doesn&#8217;t matter</i> that Jenny McCarthy - ex-minor-league-celebrity - &#8220;believes&#8221; that autism is caused by vaccines. It <i>doesn&#8217;t matter</i> if Bernadine Healy or Barack Obama believe that vaccines cause autism. It <i>doesn&#8217;t matter</i> even if a majority of people in the US, or the UK or <i>the world</i> believe that vaccines cause autism.</p>
<p>All that matters is <i>what the data show</i>. And so far, the data show that vaccines <i>don&#8217;t</i> cause autism.</p>
<p>Maybe tomorrow someone will publish data showing a connection between vaccines and autism that will overwhelm the <i>current</i> mountain of data that <i>fail</i> to show a connection. If that happens, I will happily change my tune. But not <i>before</i> then.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a popularity contest or an election - there is a real answer to this question that doesn&#8217;t depend on what people <i>believe</i>.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got the data to show that vaccines cause autism, then <i>show it</i>. If not&#8230;.well, you&#8217;re still entitled to your <i>opinion</i>, but we don&#8217;t have to <i>believe</i> it.</p>
<p>Prometheus</p>
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		<title>By: AutismNewsBeat</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20013</link>
		<dc:creator>AutismNewsBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If vaccine makers were purposely hiding their "crime", why would they post all the ingredients on the package insert for their detractors to find?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If vaccine makers were purposely hiding their &#8220;crime&#8221;, why would they post all the ingredients on the package insert for their detractors to find?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20012</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We find each other's reasoning to be fundamentally flawed.  This sometimes happens.  I regret that my first post on your page was bellicose.  I wish you and your children the best of luck.  Goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We find each other&#8217;s reasoning to be fundamentally flawed.  This sometimes happens.  I regret that my first post on your page was bellicose.  I wish you and your children the best of luck.  Goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: Do'C</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20009</link>
		<dc:creator>Do'C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I see the overburdening of developing immune systems with untested (in the intended host) compounds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And you see this "over burdening" of the immune system how?

Read up Frank:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/112/6/1394

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/109/1/124

No special insight (toxicological, immunological, epidemiological, etc.) was apparent by the way.

Come on back if you change your mind and decide to comment on the actual topic of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I see the overburdening of developing immune systems with untested (in the intended host) compounds.</p></blockquote>
<p>And you see this &#8220;over burdening&#8221; of the immune system how?</p>
<p>Read up Frank:</p>
<p><a href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/112/6/1394" rel="nofollow">http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/112/6/1394</a></p>
<p><a href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/109/1/124" rel="nofollow">http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/109/1/124</a></p>
<p>No special insight (toxicological, immunological, epidemiological, etc.) was apparent by the way.</p>
<p>Come on back if you change your mind and decide to comment on the actual topic of the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=350&cpage=1#comment-20008</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Frank you say a little research can be done with the package inserts, and yet you were asking us to give you research?  Wait, what?

Have you heard of PubMed?  

Do you honestly think that vaccines make lots of money versus the cost of treating diseases?  Actually, that has been researched here is a sample paper:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/110/4/653

(the "vaccines make millions of dollars" argument has to be on of the more idiotic ones, it is right up there with the assumption that a child could be injured more by a vaccine with very few and weakened antigens than by the actual disease!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Frank you say a little research can be done with the package inserts, and yet you were asking us to give you research?  Wait, what?</p>
<p>Have you heard of PubMed?  </p>
<p>Do you honestly think that vaccines make lots of money versus the cost of treating diseases?  Actually, that has been researched here is a sample paper:<br />
<a href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/110/4/653" rel="nofollow">http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/110/4/653</a></p>
<p>(the &#8220;vaccines make millions of dollars&#8221; argument has to be on of the more idiotic ones, it is right up there with the assumption that a child could be injured more by a vaccine with very few and weakened antigens than by the actual disease!)</p>
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