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	<title>Comments on: sCAM, Skeptics, and Chickens</title>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 22:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Binnebrook - define "medicine" in that context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Binnebrook - define &#8220;medicine&#8221; in that context.</p>
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		<title>By: Thursday</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Thursday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 21:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DoC:

I propose that ALL life on this planet would cease to exist PDQ.  Anything recognisable, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DoC:</p>
<p>I propose that ALL life on this planet would cease to exist PDQ.  Anything recognisable, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad Of Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad Of Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 18:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Binnebrook,

Powerful indeed, without them, most life on this planet (as we know it) would cease to exist pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Binnebrook,</p>
<p>Powerful indeed, without them, most life on this planet (as we know it) would cease to exist pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Binnebrook</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>Binnebrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;...food, sunlight and water are powerful medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8230;food, sunlight and water are powerful medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad Of Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad Of Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 15:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Irishman. I had to re-read the passage a couple of times to see it that way, but now I do. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Irishman. I had to re-read the passage a couple of times to see it that way, but now I do. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 14:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reasonable response. I did see one error, or misunderstanding upon your part.

Health Ranger article:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve also learned from these omniscient rationalists that there is no such thing as mysterious, invisible energy vibrations. I’m not sure how radios work, then, or magnets, or nuclear medicine, or the subatomic weak nuclear force, or quantum computing, or even the vibrating piece of crystal that governs the clock on my computer’s CPU, but I’m pretty sure it’s only because I’m too stupid to understand genuine “scientific thinking,” which is apparently based on learning how to invoke obfuscating scientific-sounding incantations to support conclusions you have previously committed to. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Response:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a fallacious argument from ignorance. Just because one doesn’t understand it, doesn’t mean it cannot be explained.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, I don't think he's really saying he does not understand these things, he's arguing that they are energy and skeptics must be dismissing them if they are dismissing "mysterious, invisble energy vibrations". The argument here is confusion over the word "energy". Skeptics are not discounting any of the forms of scientific energy listed - radios, magnets, nuclear energy, quantum computing, or vibrating crystals. Skeptics reject unproven "types of energy" that the sCAM crowd throw out - meridians, chi, homeopathic "medicine" memory water, etc ad nauseum. These are non-evidenciary and non-explained "energies" that have no relation to scientific energy. This is the logical error called equivocating - using different definitions as if they are the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reasonable response. I did see one error, or misunderstanding upon your part.</p>
<p>Health Ranger article:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve also learned from these omniscient rationalists that there is no such thing as mysterious, invisible energy vibrations. I’m not sure how radios work, then, or magnets, or nuclear medicine, or the subatomic weak nuclear force, or quantum computing, or even the vibrating piece of crystal that governs the clock on my computer’s CPU, but I’m pretty sure it’s only because I’m too stupid to understand genuine “scientific thinking,” which is apparently based on learning how to invoke obfuscating scientific-sounding incantations to support conclusions you have previously committed to. </p></blockquote>
<p>Response:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is a fallacious argument from ignorance. Just because one doesn’t understand it, doesn’t mean it cannot be explained.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s really saying he does not understand these things, he&#8217;s arguing that they are energy and skeptics must be dismissing them if they are dismissing &#8220;mysterious, invisble energy vibrations&#8221;. The argument here is confusion over the word &#8220;energy&#8221;. Skeptics are not discounting any of the forms of scientific energy listed - radios, magnets, nuclear energy, quantum computing, or vibrating crystals. Skeptics reject unproven &#8220;types of energy&#8221; that the sCAM crowd throw out - meridians, chi, homeopathic &#8220;medicine&#8221; memory water, etc ad nauseum. These are non-evidenciary and non-explained &#8220;energies&#8221; that have no relation to scientific energy. This is the logical error called equivocating - using different definitions as if they are the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 23:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In answer to Camille's question, this is what Mike Adams is selling:
http://www.truthpublishing.com/takebackhealthpower.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In answer to Camille&#8217;s question, this is what Mike Adams is selling:<br />
<a href="http://www.truthpublishing.com/takebackhealthpower.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthpublishing.com/takebackhealthpower.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dad Of Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad Of Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 19:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who may have missed it, there's a very brief post at humbug online noting a distinction from pragmatic skepticism in formal philosophical skepticism, and solipsism.

&lt;a href="http://humbugonline.blogspot.com/2006/05/philosophical-skepticism-vs-pragmatic.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;

Yes, I be the pragmatic skeptical type - If claim of 'effect' in the natural observable world (such as often is the case in the world of so-called Complementary and Alternative Medicine), bring proof. Adam's straw skeptic is probably a combination of attributes of philosophical and solipsit types, but is then applied inaccurately to "skeptics" in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who may have missed it, there&#8217;s a very brief post at humbug online noting a distinction from pragmatic skepticism in formal philosophical skepticism, and solipsism.</p>
<p><a href="http://humbugonline.blogspot.com/2006/05/philosophical-skepticism-vs-pragmatic.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Yes, I be the pragmatic skeptical type - If claim of &#8216;effect&#8217; in the natural observable world (such as often is the case in the world of so-called Complementary and Alternative Medicine), bring proof. Adam&#8217;s straw skeptic is probably a combination of attributes of philosophical and solipsit types, but is then applied inaccurately to &#8220;skeptics&#8221; in general.</p>
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		<title>By: impatientpatient</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>impatientpatient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 04:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just thought it added a bit to the discussion, and it was perfect timing.  Made me laugh anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought it added a bit to the discussion, and it was perfect timing.  Made me laugh anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad Of Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=39&cpage=1#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad Of Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 20:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Impatientpatient, I read the article - interesting economics angle, nothing surprising in the science of course. I loved that ending quote you provided about stopping the tickle at the back of your mind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Impatientpatient, I read the article - interesting economics angle, nothing surprising in the science of course. I loved that ending quote you provided about stopping the tickle at the back of your mind!</p>
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