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	<title>Comments on: California: CDDS Q3 2006 Autism Data</title>
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		<title>By: Do'C</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=76&cpage=1#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Do'C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I see that author at UPI has written a follow-up piece to the article linked in my post.

Ped Med: Counting on autism counts

In it, she writes:

"Those who disagree [with the Geiers] point to a new set of figures released last month by California's DDS, which show a recent upturn in the state's caseload of autistic children 3 to 5 years old -- from a total of 6,083 reported at the end of the second quarter, in June, to 6,188 as of the end of the third quarter, in September."

Take another look at the graph. Do you see a recent upturn, or steady growth? The r-sqaured value for the linear trend line is .9951 and unless she's referring to a recent upturn that occurred more than 5 years ago, I don't understand what upturn she might be referring to.

She also writes:

"If thimerosal is to blame, why are the numbers going up, they ask?"

Who's asking that? The question is, "If Thimerosal was to blame, why didn't they go down?"

We know the most likely reason that the numbers continue to go up at the steady rate that they appear to be - they continue to go up because the number of autistic children in California receiving services (administrative caseload) is lower than the number of autistic children in California (true prevalence) - probably way lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I see that author at UPI has written a follow-up piece to the article linked in my post.</p>
<p>Ped Med: Counting on autism counts</p>
<p>In it, she writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who disagree [with the Geiers] point to a new set of figures released last month by California&#8217;s DDS, which show a recent upturn in the state&#8217;s caseload of autistic children 3 to 5 years old &#8212; from a total of 6,083 reported at the end of the second quarter, in June, to 6,188 as of the end of the third quarter, in September.&#8221;</p>
<p>Take another look at the graph. Do you see a recent upturn, or steady growth? The r-sqaured value for the linear trend line is .9951 and unless she&#8217;s referring to a recent upturn that occurred more than 5 years ago, I don&#8217;t understand what upturn she might be referring to.</p>
<p>She also writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;If thimerosal is to blame, why are the numbers going up, they ask?&#8221;</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s asking that? The question is, &#8220;If Thimerosal was to blame, why didn&#8217;t they go down?&#8221;</p>
<p>We know the most likely reason that the numbers continue to go up at the steady rate that they appear to be - they continue to go up because the number of autistic children in California receiving services (administrative caseload) is lower than the number of autistic children in California (true prevalence) - probably way lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Soapbox mom</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=76&cpage=1#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Soapbox mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“if the total number of 3-5 year olds in the California DDS system has not declined by 2007, that would deal a severe blow to the autism-thimerosal hypothesis.”&lt;/i&gt;

More like a death knell, if you ask me.  What else do these people need to understand?
I tried so many times to explain to "mercury moms" what you have presented here.  Thanks.  From now on, I will just point them your direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“if the total number of 3-5 year olds in the California DDS system has not declined by 2007, that would deal a severe blow to the autism-thimerosal hypothesis.”</i></p>
<p>More like a death knell, if you ask me.  What else do these people need to understand?<br />
I tried so many times to explain to &#8220;mercury moms&#8221; what you have presented here.  Thanks.  From now on, I will just point them your direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Do'C</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=76&cpage=1#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>Do'C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ian,

It surprises me a little too.  I think it's probably the case that many diagnoses just simply aren't solid and receiving services by age 5 for whatever reason. I think it's possible that there are some differences among culture and language as well. I think it's likely that California will see continuing steady growth in this age cohort (maybe slowing a little pretty soon).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ian,</p>
<p>It surprises me a little too.  I think it&#8217;s probably the case that many diagnoses just simply aren&#8217;t solid and receiving services by age 5 for whatever reason. I think it&#8217;s possible that there are some differences among culture and language as well. I think it&#8217;s likely that California will see continuing steady growth in this age cohort (maybe slowing a little pretty soon).</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Do'C,

Nice post.  What surprises me re: the California numbers is why they are so low (even after recognizing that they represent caseload which is not the same thing as prevalence).

BTW, I was born at 11:30 pm on a Tuesday.  I guess that's why I may be a potential Aspie, just missing the cut.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Do&#8217;C,</p>
<p>Nice post.  What surprises me re: the California numbers is why they are so low (even after recognizing that they represent caseload which is not the same thing as prevalence).</p>
<p>BTW, I was born at 11:30 pm on a Tuesday.  I guess that&#8217;s why I may be a potential Aspie, just missing the cut.  <img src='http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ms Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=76&cpage=1#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Arnold will ban genes instead... California was a main exporter of eugenical ideas to Germany in the 1930's and was a leading state in sterilizing undesirables, which list included Mexicans...  I always think of Arnie as a closet eugenicist, even though he might not be.  It's the German accent and his presence here in California and his gross attitude toward supporting the handicapped, that is, he doesn't want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Arnold will ban genes instead&#8230; California was a main exporter of eugenical ideas to Germany in the 1930&#8217;s and was a leading state in sterilizing undesirables, which list included Mexicans&#8230;  I always think of Arnie as a closet eugenicist, even though he might not be.  It&#8217;s the German accent and his presence here in California and his gross attitude toward supporting the handicapped, that is, he doesn&#8217;t want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Bartholomew Cubbins</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=76&cpage=1#comment-652</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartholomew Cubbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work.  Maybe Arnold could ban genes instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work.  Maybe Arnold could ban genes instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Do'C</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=76&cpage=1#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>Do'C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jennifer - thanks.

Joseph - noted and corrected, thank you.

Note: some previous references to "incidence" were changed to "caseload", which is what the actually CDDS reports.

Hi NM - it will be interesting to see what Kirby has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jennifer - thanks.</p>
<p>Joseph - noted and corrected, thank you.</p>
<p>Note: some previous references to &#8220;incidence&#8221; were changed to &#8220;caseload&#8221;, which is what the actually CDDS reports.</p>
<p>Hi NM - it will be interesting to see what Kirby has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Mercury</title>
		<link>http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=76&cpage=1#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Mercury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard the mercury moms and dads say there will be a drop in numbers next year for sure, for about 4 years now. They'll just keep coming up with new and imaginative ways to explain the steady rates. Fore some people it will always be thimerosal and nothing will ever change their minds. [not mentioning any names]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard the mercury moms and dads say there will be a drop in numbers next year for sure, for about 4 years now. They&#8217;ll just keep coming up with new and imaginative ways to explain the steady rates. Fore some people it will always be thimerosal and nothing will ever change their minds. [not mentioning any names]</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the graphic with Arnold. I'm sure there's negligible political fallout from the failure of this particular policy, though. 

Just one correction:

&lt;i&gt;The administrative incidence of autism in the 3-5 year-old caseload cohort in the end of 2002 was right around 4,000. &lt;/i&gt;

That would be the caseload. The prevalence might be around 30 in 10,000 back then. There's data that could be used to determine the incidence, but I'd have to do the numbers. Incidence is rarely discussed anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the graphic with Arnold. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s negligible political fallout from the failure of this particular policy, though. </p>
<p>Just one correction:</p>
<p><i>The administrative incidence of autism in the 3-5 year-old caseload cohort in the end of 2002 was right around 4,000. </i></p>
<p>That would be the caseload. The prevalence might be around 30 in 10,000 back then. There&#8217;s data that could be used to determine the incidence, but I&#8217;d have to do the numbers. Incidence is rarely discussed anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great summary DoC, and very easy to read, even for the initiated.  I'm looking forward to seeing the response to the CDDS numbers on various autism-mercury lists.  But I'm not expecting any response.  It's a matter of faith now, and facts won't sway the diehards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summary DoC, and very easy to read, even for the initiated.  I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing the response to the CDDS numbers on various autism-mercury lists.  But I&#8217;m not expecting any response.  It&#8217;s a matter of faith now, and facts won&#8217;t sway the diehards.</p>
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