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ASU Got It Right - Out The Door!

February 28, 2006 by Do'C Printer-Friendly Version Printer-Friendly Version

I recently wrote a letter to the MD/pediatrician participating in the Southwest College Of Naturopathic Medicine’s chelation research. In it, I asked if he would be interested in discussing this research, prior to me bringing it up with the SCNM’s IRB. I also suggested that his involvement might have come only after this so-called ‘research’ was possibly previously rejected by some IRB other than SCNM’s, and wondered if it was possible that he’d been rushed into it without adequate time to review the science. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and hear what his take on the situation might be. I suggested that perhaps he could point me to a valid scientific or medical resource that could provide evidence that this research is not as bogus as it might appear.

Although his reply was prompt and courteous, I am underwhelmed.

Here’s the response I received from MD, Pediatrician Sanford Newmark:

Dear Dad of Cameron,

“I received your letter and appreciate your concern. However, having seen the email interchange you have had with Dr. Adams, I can’t think of anything new I could add if we discussed the study. One small correction of fact, I was already on board when ASU’s IRB nixed the study. I would not take this as a sign of some inherent flaw in in the study. You have no idea how many excellent studies get disapproved by IRB’s for incomprehensible reasons, especially if the studies are at all outside of the mainstream. ”

“My other comment is that as a clinician treating kids with autism I have met many families who have poured a lot of time and money into chelation therapy. Even if there was very minimal reason to suggest chelation is effective, doing a study like this, even with negative results, could have great value. You may know that a number of respected conventional doctors did controlled studies on Secretin for autism, not because they thought it worked, but because so many people were using it. In fact, the existence of those negative studies helps me more confidently steer people away from secretin treatment. ”

“I hope that is of some help. ”

“Sincerely,
Dr. Sandy Newmark”

So let me break down his response a little and see if I can understand the implications of his reply. Readers, please comment, correct me, etc. Why would ASU’s IRB have rejected this research?

1. He has nothing new to add.
All of the previous questions were answered by a non-medical person, and an MD Pediatrician has nothing to add? With all of the flaws pointed out about this research and he doesn’t want to set the record straight? He doesn’t even want to say he disagrees with my take on this? Perhaps he doesn’t have time - I’d understand that. He doesn’t want to reassure any parents out there that this is safe and meaningful?

Uh oh, here comes a red flag. Pay close attention!

2. According to Dr. Newmark, this study was previously rejected by the IRB of Arizona State University.
I contacted the IRB at ASU but did not receive a reply. As I understand it, IRB’s are not required to disclose information about rejected research. An IRB’s primary function is to ensure the health and welfare of human research participants. There are special FDA considerations for children and vulnerable populations, however the basic role of the IRB is to make sure the research is: legal (complies with informed consent laws and appropriate use of drugs, etc.), ethical (has scientific merit prior to experimentation on human subjects), useful (protocols must meet certain criteria to ensure that the research provides valid results), and last but not least, safe (acceptable risk in terms of potential benefit). So if this research was rejected by ASU’s IRB, as Dr. Newmark states, why is that? I don’t think it is likely illegal, as the informed consent docs could be seen by many as sufficient - could it simply be that ASU’s IRB found this research unethical, scientifically useless, or unsafe?

3. Dr.Newmark wouldn’t take the ASU IRB’s denial as a sign of some inherent flaw in in the study.
Maybe I should try to be open minded about this. Even though their primary function and reason for existence in the first place is pretty clear, I guess it’s possible that they could have rejected it simply because they don’t want this so-called ‘research’ attached to the name of Arizona State University - the hypothesis is less than valid, the methodology questionable, the experiment seems totally unfalsifiable, there’s involvement with a dubious laboratory (see Quackwatch), etc. I wouldn’t want my name on that sign-off sheet either.

4. Dr. Newmark suggests that many excellent studies get disapproved by IRB’s for incomprehensible reasons, especially if the studies are at all outside of the mainstream.
So a group of several educated people get together (from varying backgrounds and without conflicts of interest), study the research proposal, review the appropriate literature, examine the methodolgy, determine whether or not it meets specific legal, ethical, scientfic validity, and safety requirements and disapprovals are common for incomprehensible reasons? I’d venture to guess that the reasons are more often quite able to be understood, even if one might not agree with or like them.

5. His other comment is that as a clinician treating kids with autism has met many families who have poured a lot of time and money into chelation therapy. He suggests that even if there was very minimal reason to suggest chelation is effective, doing a study like this, even with negative results, could have great value.
Having met many families who have poured a lot of time and money into chelation therapy doesn’t mean anything. Wasted time and money does not necessitate a study, unless perhaps they want to prove chelation useless (hey they might not need Doctor’s Data in that case either). Only one small apparent problem with actually proving it wrong in this study - until better methods of measuring and tracking the varied therapies and the results of those varied therapies, any positive results could be attributed to the chelation, while any negative results could be attributed difference in therapies or lack of developmental progress in the control group. The hypothesis of this experiment seems truly unfalsifiable. Likewise any negative findings about the chelation could be the result of development or behavioral intervention in the control group. Why am I even writing this, they can probably say whatever they want and will be able to explain it in some way - they appear to have left themselves plenty of room.

7. Dr. Newmark pointed out that a number of respected conventional doctors did controlled studies on Secretin for autism, not because they thought it worked, but because so many people were using it.
Hmmm, do ya think so many people were using it because they were told it would work, and desperately wanted it to work? Since when is scientific experimentation on children worthwhile “just because other people are doing it?” See - bandwagon fallacy. I can see use by the masses influencing where reasearch dollars end up. I can see use by the masses warranting a closer look because treatments could be useless or dangerous, in which case a carefully designed study to prove (not assert) that danger or inefficacy, seems like a good idea. I just don’t see how this SCNM chelation study will really prove anything at all, except that ASU’s IRB made a very good decision.

8. Dr. Newmark says the existence of those negative studies helps him more confidently steer people away from secretin treatment.
Not a bad point at all. Too bad this probably won’t be one of those studies. And it’s really too bad that he didn’t learn from this study, prior to jumping on the “mercury causes autism” bandwagon. See - bandwagon fallacy.

I just don’t get it.

6 Comments

  1. Comment by Estee Klar-Wolfond — 1 March, 2006 @ 6:13 am

    Well said. I usually don’t talk about mercury because I think this is all a farse. I only mentioned it on my blog yesterday in the context of history.

    Thanks,

    Estee

  2. Comment by notmercury — 1 March, 2006 @ 6:24 am

    Sandy Newmark? But he’s friends with Andrew Weil and backs up his anecdotes with links:

    Dr. Newmark suggests checking the Web site of the International Autism Research Center (www.gnd.org) for an overview of available alternative therapies.

    Never mind that GND is the “Good News Doctors” aka Jeff Bradstreet.

    Why would attorney Jeff Sell help to recruit parents for the chelation study? I can’t imagine that the results, even if they are negative, would be helpful to thimerosal litigation.
    http://www.tucsonautism.org/List_of_Events.doc

    Interested in a DMSA chelation study* for your child? Contact Dr. Jim Adams at gpcasa@hotmail.com or Dr. Sandy Newmark at snewmark@peds.arizona.edu

    Andrew Weil doesn’t just recommend any old doctor you know. I’m sure he is very discriminating

  3. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 1 March, 2006 @ 8:52 am

    Hi Estee,

    Thanks for taking a look at this. I read your column yesterday and appreciated your conclusion.

    “Must there be a ’cause’ for autism? Is it another attempt to ‘degenerate’ the autistic?”

    I think real research for the benefit of ‘understanding’ could be beneficial in preparing parents to be better enablers and advocates much earlier than the likely 18 mos. - 3 years old (child’s age) they do a shotgun start with today. This mercury and chelation nonsense is just sick, it’s frustrating to see so many area parents caught up in the cause/cure hype. Even sicker that so-called researchers don’t seem to care about getting it right. They are focused on the cause/cure hype, rather than real understanding and advocacy - “degenerating” parents too.

    Hi NM,

    You know, it’s becoming obvious to me these so-called ‘doctor’s, ‘researchers’, and lawyers are a pretty tight-knit group, kind of slimey really. Thanks for providing a little more info about their M.O.B. (mercury on board) connections.

  4. Comment by Prometheus — 12 March, 2006 @ 6:39 pm

    Having been peripherally involved in the final Secretin study (and in one earlier pilot study), I take exception to what Dr. Newark said about IRB’s.

    I have had a number of human studies “bounced back” from the IRB for problems (often incredibly minor problems, IMHO) with the study. However, I’ve never had a study “rejected” by the IRB. In fact, I’ve only heard of a couple of studies flat out rejected by an IRB. Occasionally, a researcher will decide that it’s not worth the effort to fix the problems with the study and give up, but this is not the same as rejection.

    The secretin studies were cases in point: we were going to study children (one “hot-button” group) who were disabled (second “hot-button” group). The therapy we were studying had a low probablility of success but also a low risk (just like the chelation study). Yet, even up against a very conservative University IRB, we got both studies through with minimal changes (mostly consent wording and documentation of privacy protections).

    The fact that ASU’s IRB rejected this study puts up more than a few red flags - more red flags than you might see on May Day in Red Square back in the heyday of the USSR.

    If I were on the IRB at ASU (I’ve been on an IRB before), my biggest concerns would be:

    [1] The laboratory they are using for the testing (DDI).

    [2] The egregious promotion of chelation as a useful therapy for autism - that’s what they’re trying to test, after all!

    These are easily correctible problems, so the fact that the ASU IRB rejected the study suggests that:

    [a] These were “non-negotiable” aspects of the study

    or

    [b] There are aspects of the study that we are not aware of that are more disturbing.

    Either way, it doesn’t look good for autistic children in Arizona.

    Prometheus

  5. Comment by Rhonda Nelson — 28 April, 2006 @ 11:37 pm

    Wow,
    This whole discussion makes me ill. Why all the venom and vitriol directed at the parents, researchers, and doctors who are the only ones trying to come up with some answers to help kids from a lifetime of head-banging and feces-smearing?

    Fortunately, I spent my time reading the research for myself instead of looking to make sport of the people doing the research. It was all worth it, because my son is back.

    Rhonda

  6. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 29 April, 2006 @ 12:04 am

    Rhonda,

    I’m sorry you felt ill. Tough questions put to your saviours could have that effect on some people I suppose. Very few people like a skeptic, but I don’t consider questions venomous, especially when they are not personal attacks and are about the science. What percentage of autistics spend a lifetime head-banging and feces-smearing? Please provide references. Are you suggesting that no mainstream reasearch is occuring about autism? You’d be way wrong on that one. Could the autism community use more? Of course.

    I don’t expect you’ll listen to this, but real science welcomes critical review and questions as part of the process. If it’s valid, it can stand up to a few questions.

    I’m glad to hear your son is “back”. Best wishes for you and your family.

    ___

    Ah, another Generation Rescue rescue angel, what a treat.

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