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May 1, 2006 by Do'C Printer-Friendly Version Printer-Friendly Version

Alternate Title: Skeptical of the so-called skeptical of the skeptics  

The world of so-called Complementary and Alternative Medicine never ceases to be creative. Although the argument presented is a classic “Other Ways Of Knowing” fallacy among others, an essay by the “Health Ranger“, Mike Adams did catch and keep my attention.

You can read the entire article over at NewsTarget.com, without interruption of my comment. I recommend reading it through once first, then come back and read my comments. If you’re a true skeptic, you’ll find it entertaining, well-written, and an overall good read. After all it can’t hurt to question your own skepticism can it? If you’re a “believer” it’s going to stroke you in all the right ways, make you feel justified in making decisions based on your emotions and all that kind of stuff. Is reality really all it’s cracked up to be anyway? Uh, yes, yes it is.

Here’s the link to the original article:

Skeptical about the skeptics: The Health Ranger answers the skeptics on natural medicine  

The Health Ranger says:

Whenever I really want to be amused, I spend a few minutes reading the latest admonishments and retortments from the extreme skeptics of natural medicine. By “extreme skeptics,” I don’t mean actual critical thinkers who apply genuine open-minded curiosity to the world around them, I mean the pseudoscientific zealots who berate anyone who believes in acupuncture, massage therapy, homeopathy, herbal medicine, sunlight therapy, breath therapy, meditation or any number of other natural healing modalities. They think vitamins are useless, acupuncture is quackery, and that all medical treatment should be limited to drugs, surgery, radiation and chemotherapy.

Berating of anyone is unnecessary and an emotional attack that is not an intrinsic part of real skepticism. Beliefs in the “healing” modalities have zero bearing on their efficacy and are irrelevant. The generalization of “extreme skeptics” as thinking that all medical treatment should be limited to drugs, surgery, radiation and chemotherapy is baseless and oversimplified. Many dyed-in-the-wool skeptics would welcome other proven treatment modalities that include, but are not limited to: nutrition, exercise, education, and allowing healing without intervention if such healing is proven to be likely. The characteristic one can generalize about such extreme skeptics is that they’re not going to take your word for it; you’d better be able to provide proof.

These extreme skeptics are truly impressive in the depth of their knowledge: There is nothing true in the universe that they don’t already know. All science has already been discovered, they proclaim, and therefore all new “whacky” ideas about vibrational healing, energy medicine or nutritional therapy are based on nothing but quackery. That’s why they’ve constructed an intellectual moat in order to keep all such bad ideas out of the Church of Logic.

This is utterly false and uninformed. An admittedly hardcore skeptic will tell you that there is likely far more that is unknown, and that science will never be finished. No true skeptic would ever claim that science has all the answers. You may have seen terms like “wacky” or “woo-woo”, but they essentially all boil down to the same thing - based on belief, and not proven. If such things were proven, they’d be considered mainstream (and might even qualify for the JREF million dollar prize, depending on the nature of the claim). If there is an intellectual moat, as suggested, there’s a giant drawbridge and it’s always open to evidence.

I’ve also learned from these omniscient rationalists that there is no such thing as mysterious, invisible energy vibrations. I’m not sure how radios work, then, or magnets, or nuclear medicine, or the subatomic weak nuclear force, or quantum computing, or even the vibrating piece of crystal that governs the clock on my computer’s CPU, but I’m pretty sure it’s only because I’m too stupid to understand genuine “scientific thinking,” which is apparently based on learning how to invoke obfuscating scientific-sounding incantations to support conclusions you have previously committed to.

This is a fallacious argument from ignorance. Just because one doesn’t understand it, doesn’t mean it cannot be explained. This view of scientific thinking, is ignorant of the basic premises of science, and the author employs the very fallacy of complicated words he suggests defines scientific thinking. One could try wikipedia for some real basics on the Scientific Method.

More importantly, I’ve also learned from these skeptics that the universe operates in pure Newtonian fashion like a giant pinball machine, and that free will, creativity, love, intuition and faith are merely illusory notions invoked by chemical balances in the brain that should be treated with psychiatric drugs. Because, of course, people who actually FEEL anything are obviously irrational and have no place in our pinball machine universe.

It’s a free country, believe or have faith in whatever you want. If it’s intended to be sold as science or medicine, be prepared to prove it.

Many of these extreme skeptics, I’ve also learned, don’t even believe in their own free will, since consciousness (they’ve explained to me) is merely a fleeting projection of a physical brain that operates like a wondrously complex Turing machine. This has me pondering an important question: Who does a skeptic think is offering the opinions of skepticism if that same skeptic does not believe in the existence of his own consciousness?

Consciousness is not a matter of belief. A true skeptic does not “believe” anything. True skeptics think. Consciousness and existence could be defined by that thinking.

By definition, then, the opinions of all such skeptics are of no greater consequence than two billiard balls bouncing off each other because even they do not believe they exist as conscious beings capable of creating inspired thought. Thus, if you take their word for it, extreme skeptics have the same level of consciousness as, say, your average armadillo. They self-admittedly have none, in fact, making such skeptics about as intelligent as a brass doorknob, but far less useful. A doorknob, at least, can open something. But extreme skeptics remain forever closed to new ideas.

By this malformed definition, I can see how it could be interpreted this way, but opinions are of little relevance to reality. Taking a skeptic’s “word for it” is directed to “believers” and would be discouraged by true skeptics. Even the most die hard of the skeptics are open to new ideas, but they have to be testable and falsifiable. True skeptics do remain forever closed to new ideas that are unfalsifiable - those are for the faithful.

I once asked a skeptic how he could be sure there was nothing else in the universe besides the physical, and he gave me an answer that basically translates into, “I intuitively felt so.” Normally, I would call such a person a complete idiot, but most skeptics are actually well educated. They are clearly not idiots. Rather, they are purveyors of self-aggrandizing reductionism who suffer under the cult-like illusion that hyper-rational, compartmentalized, Descartian logic is the one and only way to arrive at any sort of truth.

He asked one skeptic and translates the generalization to all? Skeptics are not concerned with just “any sort of truth”; they aim for scientific reality with replicable proof. This reality is subject to revision, change, and refinement at all times. If the author has a better way of knowing to offer, a better way to get to the truth, I’m all ears. Don’t forget to bring some proof, otherwise this claim is about as vacuous as they get.

Their belief in the superiority of selective logic bounded by preordained conceptual blinders is as zealotistic and pompous as any fanatical religion, but far less believable because to become a member of the Church of Logic, you have to pledge exclusive faith to a system of philosophy that disavows the concept of faith altogether. What the members of this church are missing is the idea that metaphor, or meditation, or storytelling, or dreaming is often far truer and a whole lot more interesting than mere logic. Or that food, sunlight and water are powerful medicine. Certainly logic is one way to look at the universe, and it is a useful way for many things, but it is hardly the only way. In fact, for the things that really matter (like happiness, compassion, or love), logic is practically irrelevant.

I can see how it might be interpreted as pompous or fanatical, true skeptics can appear “obsessed” with reality. And he’s correct that faith is definitely not an intrinsic part of science or skepticism. To conclude that this detracts from truth or interest depends on how one defines truth or interesting - it’s purely subjective. To conclude that logic is practically irrelevant to emotional constructs like happiness, compassion, and love appears like the author may be implying a false dichotomy (that one can only espouse logic or emotion, but not both). While it’s true that skeptics would not use emotion to evaluate science, to suggest that logic is irrelevant to happiness is another argument from ignorance. Just because he doesn’t understand it, does mean it is not possible. Read just about anything from Carl Sagan for more on happiness within reality, or ask a real skeptic.

Of course, skeptics may disagree with this assessment, but even that would require some original thought, which violates the beliefs of skeptics in the first place. If you’re an extreme skeptic, you can’t fathom the meaning of any of this because you have no consciousness and you don’t possess any original ideas whatsoever, according to your own Church of Logic. So if you’re perturbed by this essay because you’re a self-admitted skeptic, then don’t sweat it: Your negative emotion is just a side effect of the giant pinball Turing Machine in your head. You’ll get over it.

“Beliefs of skeptics” - if ever there was an oxymoron, this one is it. I guess I’m not a so-called “extreme skeptic”, because this makes perfect sense. It’s a very well-written fallacious appeal to other ways of knowing. I’m definitely not that extreme, because I wasn’t perturbed at all, in fact this essay kept my attention, and was very entertaining.

Everybody else, on the other hand, does exist, which is why we are all laughing so hard at the skeptics — the only group of people in the history of human civilization to vehemently argue for their own irrelevance, and then to prove it through pompous babble aimed not at any effort to discover real truth, but rather to protect their own fragile egos and hollow philosophical scaffolding.

Hey good for him, laughter from the Alt Med world seems pretty harmless and irrelevant.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. It’s a good thing, then, that extreme skeptics don’t believe in the mind at all — only in the brain, a physical organ they say merely creates the illusion of consciousness and has no ethereal existence whatsoever: No spirit, no soul, no mind. By their own definition, then, extreme skeptics are mindless, soulless walking water bags that are no more “alive” than the DNA sequence of a virus. Unfortunately, they still manage to spout words from time to time, probably due to some sort of linguistic reflex action, and annoy the rest of us who actually do have consciousness.

He’s right; believers can get pretty annoyed by the skeptics. It’s often much more comfortable for human beings to remain in denial, or seek communal reinforcement of beliefs, as a form a validation in place of understanding, or in the face of great challenge. It’s also a classic straw man argument.

So the next time a skeptic annoys you with blathering syllables that sound like arguments against alternative medicine, just remember: A chicken can still run with its head cut off, but that doesn’t mean it knows where it’s going. It’s only a reflex that appears to resemble conscious intention. Don’t mind it.

That’s it? A simple fallacious appeal to other ways of knowing? Alternative medicine should not be ignored, because skeptics are annoying or unemotional? There might be a better way of knowing, but it was not detailed, and no evidence was provided? Definitely not written for a skeptical audience AT ALL. I enjoyed reading it though. Thank you health ranger.

The next time a believer makes unproven claims for alternative medicine, just remember: A chicken can run with it’s head intact, that doesn’t mean it “knows” where it’s going.

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[Edit/Erratum: 3May2006 - Changed title from S.C.A.M. to sCAM to reflect better accuracy in acknowledging the existence of legitimate research into Complementary and Alternative Medicine.  Changed first paragraph from "So-Called Alternative Medicine" to "so-called Complementary and Alternative Medicine". Thank you Abel PharmBoy. A few minor spelling corrections as well.] 

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Important notices:

The contents of Mike Adams’s essay were reprinted here with permission from Truth Publishing - NewsTarget Network, who I must say, has a wonderful policy about reprint rights. These people have the “sharing the information” down pat.

It’s also important to note the following portion of the disclaimer from their website: ”Truth Publishing sells no health or nutritional products and earns no money from health product manufacturers or promoters. The information on this site is provided for educational and entertainment purposes only.”

Don’t forget, Mike Adams’s original article came from http://www.newstarget.com/.

 

21 Comments

  1. Comment by James Randi — 2 May, 2006 @ 5:36 am

    This is a fascinating article. As most such tirades do, it invents attitudes and opinions for the skeptics — views that are incorrect and presumptuous.

    For example, I don’t know of any skeptics — myself included — who believe that “vitamins are useless… and that all medical treatment should be limited to drugs, surgery, radiation and chemotherapy.” Where did that notion come from? From the minds of those who fear and deny the truth about the quackery they espouse, not from the skeptics.

    To quote again: “These extreme skeptics are truly impressive in the depth of their knowledge: There is nothing true in the universe that they don’t already know. All science has already been discovered, they proclaim…” Again, I know of no skeptic who has ever made that ridiculous claim, or even entertained that opinion.

    These canards are the ammunition of the beleagered believers who need to create a straw man to attack.

    James Randi.

  2. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 2 May, 2006 @ 8:41 am

    Dear Mr. Randi et al. at JREF,

    I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to drop by and comment. Although I enjoyed the JREF guest commentary while you were regaining your health, I’m glad you’re back and at it. Best wishes and thank you for your comments.

  3. Comment by Joseph — 2 May, 2006 @ 10:16 am

    Wow, is that the James Randi who just dropped by? I’m impressed DoC.

    There are people who see the scientific method as nothing but a set of rules invented by the philosophers of science. And they appear to believe that alternative methods, such as faith, imagination and conjecture are equally valid. What needs to be emphasized is the predictive value of the scientific method and its historical success. As you say, if they can show that a different method is valuable as well, they should go ahead and show it.

  4. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 2 May, 2006 @ 11:09 am

    I had sent the article to Jeff at the JREF, but it was the man indeed (or someone using his e-mail account and IP address). Not that his name lends any authority, it doesn’t, and I think he’d agree. I do appreciate him stopping by personally, as it demonstrates that science and skepticism are not in a locked-up castle behind a moat - they are accessible to everyone.

  5. Comment by Camille — 2 May, 2006 @ 12:38 pm

    Interesting to see your true skeptic’s response to James Randi’s apparent comment on your blog. Notice my true skeptic’s response to your response. We don’t *know* it was James Randi, but it sure looks like what he would write… why would D o’ C lie? Is there money involved. I now have to go and see what Mike Adam’s is selling.

    I can’t merely trust that he’s not defending alt med out of the goodness of his big ol’ universe encompassing heart.

    Because…. I’m a skeptic. :-)

    I have to admit that I had this reaction of, “Whoa!!! James Randi!!” and I was looking for your “I am not worthy!!!” response… which you wisely avoided expressing, or if you are a real skeptic you never even felt… Now, me, I’d have written, “I am not worthy!!!” and then backspaced over it before hitting the “say it” button. And now I’m blathering.

    Thanks for this fisking of the Mike Adams refutation of apparently imaginary “extreme skeptic” strawmen. Strawpersons? Scarecrows?

    Mr. Randi, thanks.

  6. Comment by mike stanton — 2 May, 2006 @ 1:27 pm

    Never mind James Randi. When I read your blogs I want to say, “I am not worthy.” But everybody needs a goal in life so I will settle for, “I am not yet worthy” :-)

  7. Comment by Bronze Dog — 3 May, 2006 @ 5:39 am

    Looks like Randi’s style to me. We might find out on Friday. Either way, it’s a very good article, D o’ C.

  8. Comment by TheProbe — 3 May, 2006 @ 6:01 am

    Mike Adams has been on my radar for several months as he seems to trigger quite a few of my Google News alerts. I, too, wonder what he is selling, as he seems just a wee bit too regular a writer for personal purposes. It is nice to know, however, that you can predict what he is going to write.

  9. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 3 May, 2006 @ 7:29 am

    Camille, you’re so skeptical :)

    Mike, thank you for the kind words, I appreciate them.

    Bronze Dog, hey maybe we will know more on Friday, shall we ask Sylvia Browne?

    TheProbe, he’s new to me, but then I don’t pay a whole lot of attention to homeopathy, vibrational medicine (whatever that is), or any of the many big name promoters of nonsense (Deepak Chopra, Andrew Weil, etc.) that he lists as influential to him, on his website. A quick look at the health ranger website looks to be a mixed bag of stuff.

  10. Comment by impatientpatient — 3 May, 2006 @ 1:49 pm

    Another impressive article DoC!!! I have no idea what people are thinking when they write this stuff. Apparently you can fool most of the people most of the time. Belief and medicine should be completely separated and proof and medicine should be encouraged.

    No words left.

  11. Comment by impatientpatient — 3 May, 2006 @ 2:15 pm

    From a Macleans magazine article today, about whether Cold FX ACTUALLY works or is just perceived to thru marketing hype:

    “Selling cold remedies, after all,is not always about curing the tickle at the back of your throat. Sometimes, its’ about stopping the one at the back of your mind.”

    Link

  12. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 4 May, 2006 @ 1:15 pm

    Hi Impatientpatient, I read the article - interesting economics angle, nothing surprising in the science of course. I loved that ending quote you provided about stopping the tickle at the back of your mind!

  13. Comment by impatientpatient — 4 May, 2006 @ 9:36 pm

    I just thought it added a bit to the discussion, and it was perfect timing. Made me laugh anyways.

  14. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 8 May, 2006 @ 12:03 pm

    For anyone who may have missed it, there’s a very brief post at humbug online noting a distinction from pragmatic skepticism in formal philosophical skepticism, and solipsism.

    Link

    Yes, I be the pragmatic skeptical type - If claim of ‘effect’ in the natural observable world (such as often is the case in the world of so-called Complementary and Alternative Medicine), bring proof. Adam’s straw skeptic is probably a combination of attributes of philosophical and solipsit types, but is then applied inaccurately to “skeptics” in general.

  15. Comment by Huw — 10 May, 2006 @ 4:35 pm

    In answer to Camille’s question, this is what Mike Adams is selling:
    http://www.truthpublishing.com/takebackhealthpower.html

  16. Comment by Irishman — 11 May, 2006 @ 7:19 am

    Reasonable response. I did see one error, or misunderstanding upon your part.

    Health Ranger article:

    I’ve also learned from these omniscient rationalists that there is no such thing as mysterious, invisible energy vibrations. I’m not sure how radios work, then, or magnets, or nuclear medicine, or the subatomic weak nuclear force, or quantum computing, or even the vibrating piece of crystal that governs the clock on my computer’s CPU, but I’m pretty sure it’s only because I’m too stupid to understand genuine “scientific thinking,” which is apparently based on learning how to invoke obfuscating scientific-sounding incantations to support conclusions you have previously committed to. 

    Response:

    This is a fallacious argument from ignorance. Just because one doesn’t understand it, doesn’t mean it cannot be explained.

    Actually, I don’t think he’s really saying he does not understand these things, he’s arguing that they are energy and skeptics must be dismissing them if they are dismissing “mysterious, invisble energy vibrations”. The argument here is confusion over the word “energy”. Skeptics are not discounting any of the forms of scientific energy listed - radios, magnets, nuclear energy, quantum computing, or vibrating crystals. Skeptics reject unproven “types of energy” that the sCAM crowd throw out - meridians, chi, homeopathic “medicine” memory water, etc ad nauseum. These are non-evidenciary and non-explained “energies” that have no relation to scientific energy. This is the logical error called equivocating - using different definitions as if they are the same thing.

  17. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 11 May, 2006 @ 8:10 am

    Good point Irishman. I had to re-read the passage a couple of times to see it that way, but now I do. Thanks.

  18. Comment by Binnebrook — 13 May, 2006 @ 10:23 am

    >…food, sunlight and water are powerful medicine.

  19. Comment by Dad Of Cameron — 13 May, 2006 @ 11:14 am

    Binnebrook,

    Powerful indeed, without them, most life on this planet (as we know it) would cease to exist pretty quickly.

  20. Comment by Thursday — 14 May, 2006 @ 2:12 pm

    DoC:

    I propose that ALL life on this planet would cease to exist PDQ. Anything recognisable, anyway.

  21. Comment by Irishman — 18 May, 2006 @ 3:17 pm

    Binnebrook - define “medicine” in that context.

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